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		<title>By: theox</title>
		<link>https://www.simianenterprises.co.uk/blog/if-coldfusion-is-dead-its-adobe-that-killed-it-118.html/comment-page-1#comment-442739</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CFML deux proposal:

1- runs on android, iPhone, etc.
2- runs embedded, or on &quot;any&quot; architecture
3- runs standalone for sysadmins, DBAs, scripters, etc. 
4- runs on any virtual machine, any runtime
5- runs on a hybrid app/dba server, that runs on all the above
5b- comes as a complete server, like LAMP
6- keeps on running on things it runs on now
7- there is a baseline compatibility between all the above
8- CFML slows evolving
9- becomes RPM,YUM etc compatible
10- becomes playstore, itunes, etc friendly
11- open source versions of all the above should be forked to try all the above and iterate  development in a RAD lifecycle, a la RedHat.
12- All major releases should coincide with  major releases of hardware and major OSs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CFML deux proposal:</p>
<p>1- runs on android, iPhone, etc.<br />
2- runs embedded, or on &#8220;any&#8221; architecture<br />
3- runs standalone for sysadmins, DBAs, scripters, etc.<br />
4- runs on any virtual machine, any runtime<br />
5- runs on a hybrid app/dba server, that runs on all the above<br />
5b- comes as a complete server, like LAMP<br />
6- keeps on running on things it runs on now<br />
7- there is a baseline compatibility between all the above<br />
8- CFML slows evolving<br />
9- becomes RPM,YUM etc compatible<br />
10- becomes playstore, itunes, etc friendly<br />
11- open source versions of all the above should be forked to try all the above and iterate  development in a RAD lifecycle, a la RedHat.<br />
12- All major releases should coincide with  major releases of hardware and major OSs</p>
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		<title>By: theox</title>
		<link>https://www.simianenterprises.co.uk/blog/if-coldfusion-is-dead-its-adobe-that-killed-it-118.html/comment-page-1#comment-442726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 19:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kinda late to the party here but, here&#039; my two cents:
1- CFML as a language is specialized for data driven websites.
2- CF as a server (the collection of jars and compilers, etc) is specialized for data driven website
3- CFML as a language is specialized to run on a CF server.

My point is, CF and CFML are very much have pigeonholed themselves to a very, very specific market. This might have been fine 10 years ago but today the computing market is not what CF/CFML was intended for.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

How to fix it? It&#039;s the same advice you give to a single friend. Put yourself out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kinda late to the party here but, here&#8217; my two cents:<br />
1- CFML as a language is specialized for data driven websites.<br />
2- CF as a server (the collection of jars and compilers, etc) is specialized for data driven website<br />
3- CFML as a language is specialized to run on a CF server.</p>
<p>My point is, CF and CFML are very much have pigeonholed themselves to a very, very specific market. This might have been fine 10 years ago but today the computing market is not what CF/CFML was intended for.</p>
<p>THIS IS THE PROBLEM.</p>
<p>How to fix it? It&#8217;s the same advice you give to a single friend. Put yourself out there.</p>
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		<title>By: cf lover</title>
		<link>https://www.simianenterprises.co.uk/blog/if-coldfusion-is-dead-its-adobe-that-killed-it-118.html/comment-page-1#comment-302600</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cf lover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love cf ,  i&#039;m doing some research who using cf , i found fuge big list  (many banks, financial , university, powerful web application etc )

I hope coldfusion wil really rock ... please try to use coldfusion it 100 times better that PHP or .NET]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love cf ,  i&#8217;m doing some research who using cf , i found fuge big list  (many banks, financial , university, powerful web application etc )</p>
<p>I hope coldfusion wil really rock &#8230; please try to use coldfusion it 100 times better that PHP or .NET</p>
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		<title>By: scott fort systems</title>
		<link>https://www.simianenterprises.co.uk/blog/if-coldfusion-is-dead-its-adobe-that-killed-it-118.html/comment-page-1#comment-179374</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scott fort systems]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the above post is right on.   Adobe really needs to step up and make CF available and accessible (pricing, etc...)

We love CF and need to hire more top flight programmers who love CF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the above post is right on.   Adobe really needs to step up and make CF available and accessible (pricing, etc&#8230;)</p>
<p>We love CF and need to hire more top flight programmers who love CF.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 02:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coldfusion is still around and happy and kicking pretty well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coldfusion is still around and happy and kicking pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Serize</title>
		<link>https://www.simianenterprises.co.uk/blog/if-coldfusion-is-dead-its-adobe-that-killed-it-118.html/comment-page-1#comment-71088</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Serize]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The selling point of PHP is that it&#039;s always been known as FREE and although it takes a lot of more work to build something in PHP, the fact that it’s free calls attention from both new developers and startups. This is why there are more PHP developers than ASP, Coldfusion, Ruby, .net, etc. With more PHP developers out there, you will find a lot of applications being built in PHP and more awareness of what PHP is. It&#039;s difficult for some people to understand that they have to pay for a server side scripting engine. Now, the CFML community is also at fault for not being as active as the PHP community, save Ben Nadel attending non-CF related meetups (JK Ben... I appreciate your blog, it has save me a lot of time), we should be doing more things like: https://www.techwebonlineevents.com/ars/eventregistration.do?mode=eventreg&amp;F=1004580]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The selling point of PHP is that it&#8217;s always been known as FREE and although it takes a lot of more work to build something in PHP, the fact that it’s free calls attention from both new developers and startups. This is why there are more PHP developers than ASP, Coldfusion, Ruby, .net, etc. With more PHP developers out there, you will find a lot of applications being built in PHP and more awareness of what PHP is. It&#8217;s difficult for some people to understand that they have to pay for a server side scripting engine. Now, the CFML community is also at fault for not being as active as the PHP community, save Ben Nadel attending non-CF related meetups (JK Ben&#8230; I appreciate your blog, it has save me a lot of time), we should be doing more things like: <a href="https://www.techwebonlineevents.com/ars/eventregistration.do?mode=eventreg&#038;F=1004580" rel="nofollow">https://www.techwebonlineevents.com/ars/eventregistration.do?mode=eventreg&#038;F=1004580</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Parry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Parry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 05:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[* Zak b - You&#039;re a poop! I bet you still code in Pascal!
* Ben N - People are arses - I even have a PHP/Designer that hand crafts his CSS and code using fricken notepad - WTF!
* James Plesk - ASP/.NET - OVER complex
*.* - Perhaps if Adobe made the core (not developer version) free as a foundation to selling the rest of their products then perhaps takeup may be better - Saying that, I would like to start working on some comparisons for coldfusion.com.au where we have PHP vs .NET vs CF so people can actually see how much better the code looks and how much easier it is to create. Anyone fancying submitting some? pop me an email martin@incubate.com.au]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* Zak b &#8211; You&#8217;re a poop! I bet you still code in Pascal!<br />
* Ben N &#8211; People are arses &#8211; I even have a PHP/Designer that hand crafts his CSS and code using fricken notepad &#8211; WTF!<br />
* James Plesk &#8211; ASP/.NET &#8211; OVER complex<br />
*.* &#8211; Perhaps if Adobe made the core (not developer version) free as a foundation to selling the rest of their products then perhaps takeup may be better &#8211; Saying that, I would like to start working on some comparisons for coldfusion.com.au where we have PHP vs .NET vs CF so people can actually see how much better the code looks and how much easier it is to create. Anyone fancying submitting some? pop me an email <a href="mailto:martin@incubate.com.au">martin@incubate.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>By: n-smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n-smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 19:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the open source and FREE CF engines. If CF wants to survive, I think support for Railo and Open BlueDragon has to be the way forward. It integrates nicely into any Java enterprise server and does virtually everything, if not more than the Adobe CF can do. Adobe are killing CF. Try finding the product even on their homepage? They are not interested in it, one bit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the open source and FREE CF engines. If CF wants to survive, I think support for Railo and Open BlueDragon has to be the way forward. It integrates nicely into any Java enterprise server and does virtually everything, if not more than the Adobe CF can do. Adobe are killing CF. Try finding the product even on their homepage? They are not interested in it, one bit!</p>
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		<title>By: zack b</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zack b]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I beg your pardon, but is anyone here a software engineer? Why on earth would anyone in their right mind use CF in these days and times! Go learn something useful]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg your pardon, but is anyone here a software engineer? Why on earth would anyone in their right mind use CF in these days and times! Go learn something useful</p>
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		<title>By: StillNovice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StillNovice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;PHP&quot; who cares, I have created a Picture gallery In CF which is far far better than PHP and i bet nobody in PHP can beat it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PHP&#8221; who cares, I have created a Picture gallery In CF which is far far better than PHP and i bet nobody in PHP can beat it</p>
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